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October 11, 2007

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2 problems that stem's from De Palma's own (well-catalogued) narcissism - first, thinking that this movie would even make a dent in the US public market, and second, that something so (from what I've read) explicitly anti-war would sneak up on any theoretical non-choir viewers.

By tacking a hippy-dippy message onto the end of a Fox News wet dream, "The Kingdom" comes closer to slipping one in the public punch bowl than "Redacted" possibly could - but of course this stems less from incisive writing than the filmmakers' stupidity.

WOW that was convoluted. Sorry.

Well, a couple things: has DePalma explicitly said that the purpose of the movie is to change minds and/or influence public opinion? I'm asking genuinely because I don't know. It seems the quality of the movie should be based on its effectiveness AS a movie. And, fair enough, your critical assessment is that the movie just doesn't play.

But I'm not entirely sure about jumping from a clear-eyed assessment of the real-world commercial realities for an anti-war film to the criticism of making it in the first place. I guess I'm just not crazy about the idea that a filmmaker should make a movie about Iraq only if its commercial chances are decent and/or public opinion still needs to be moved. Again, if those are HIS own, only explicitly stated reasons, I suppose there's validity in criticizing him thusly, but I ultimately don't think the number of other Iraq movies and the lack of political "need" (or the general ineffectualness of dissent) are reasons for any individual filmmaker not to make a movie that he's moved to make. Am I misunderstanding?

re Steve's comment...how is it narcissistic to make a movie that doesn't have a great chance to "make a dent" commercially? Or maybe I should say, how do we know that DePalma assumed this WOULD make a dent (and precisely because it's a DePalma film, which is what your reference to his narcissism seems to imply)? And how do we know that he didn't make the movie simply because the news/the events/the whatever sparked a desire to make it? None of which precludes it from being a BAD movie, of course...but there just seem to be a lot of assumptions about motive and hubris and whatnot that I'm not sure are justified.

http://www.emanuellevy.com/article.php?articleID=7149

Generally, people who want to make a dent in opinion have a better chance of doing so if they adjust their statements so that they might be intercepted by the other 90% of the population. And with the kind of money people spend on movies, I think most filmmakers have to believe their work will influence people.

I'm just looking forward to the auteurist defense from DePalma acolytes. I almost bought it for the abysmal Black Dahlia, but for this? Nuh-uh....

Me, I'm waiting for the inevitable "Iraq fatigue" critics' notebook/trend piece, which will be the sign that this nonstory had finally run its course and we can all move on.

In terms of the footage itself, I suspect that something as simple and cumulative as the Newshour daily silent litany of that day's dead--photos with names, ages, and hometowns--is more effective filmmaking than whatever De Palma thinks he's up to by topping his ripped-from-the-headlines confection with a real-world montage cherry.

Not that I've actually seen the movie or anything, but this supposedly censored tail-end montage sequence sounds like a typical De Palma rip-off/"homage" -- in this case from/to the brilliant ending of Lars von Trier's "Dogville." Is possible?

In DePalma's defense, Dave, the sequence doesn't feel like that at all. For one thing, there's no Bowie song playing under it.

This De Palma acolyte won't defend the film with anything approaching blind passion, but it's certainly worth grappling with. Cue flagrant self-promotion:
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-circuit-redacted.html

As to the controversy, it does seem a tempest in a teapot, but I am a bit confused: is the photo montage now going to be entirely excised, or just play "redacted" with the black bars over the faces? I've read many conflicting reports. If it's removed, well, then to me the movie is entirely pointless (and I waffle back and forth, day in/day out, as to how much I like/admire its point in the first place).

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