Note: This is a reconstruction of a post I put up last night and took down this morning after considering how much I didn't want to get into any pissing contests this week. Alas, it had already been noticed by the stalwart S.T. Van Airsdale at The Reeler, and I have been duly chided by him for folding. I see that Stu actually quotes one of the passages I might have thought better of including had I felt like being nice. Oh well. Fug it. Thanks a pantload, Stu; let the micturition fly where it may.
If, like me, you fondly recall Rex Reed's review of Don't Look Now for The New York Daily News (not available online,alas)—the one in which he expressed his disgust for the Julie Christie/Donald Sutherland sex scene by protesting "Put it on! Put it on!" (their clothing, that is)—you'll be delighted to learn that just the same caliber of movie writing flourishes today, as witness these passages from notices on Sidney Lumet's Before the Devil Knows You're Dead:
It's tough for a movie that starts out with a doggy-style sex scene in Rio to maintain momentum, and "Before the Devil" isn't nearly as carefully sculpted as Tomei (she's 42!)—Matt Pais, Metromix
Before the Devil [...] opens with an explicit sex scene between Marisa Tomei and Philip Seymour Hoffman, who does not (as he’d be the first to admit) have a body for soft-core but whose naked passion shows us a side of the character we wouldn’t see otherwise. (For the record, Marisa Tomei does have a body for soft-core.)—David Edelstein, New York
Hoffman is possibly the best American actor working today, capable of playing comedy or drama, gay or straight, meek or menacing, all with equal authority. He is a genius. But no one wants to see him naked. (Tomei, on the other hand, looks great, which may be why she’s as conspicuously unclothed as Brigitte Bardot in Contempt.) —Lawrence Levi, Stop Smiling
I have to give the reliably smarmy Levi some bonus points for the putatively high-minded Contempt reference, which will by recognized by anybody who's seen both films as an absolute non-sequitor. Nice!
A further thought: What does it mean that Phillip Seymour Hoffman "does not have a body for soft-core," while Ron Jeremy still works in hardcore? Just asking...

Left, softcore-unsuitable Philip Seymour Hoffman, Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, Sidney Lumet, 2007

Below, still-active-in-hardcore Ron Jeremy, Operation Desert Stormy, Stormy Daniels, 2007

I'm glad you put this back up, because this sort of "criticism" drives me nuts, especially as Edelstein is included. I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't want your comments section to turn into an insult-fest, so I'll just repeat that I'm glad Edelstein was included.
Although I don't think you yourself are completely innocent of this sort of thing. I remember reading a review you wrote of "The Secret Lives of Dentists" where you rather sarcastically referred to Hope Davis as an object of sexual obsession.
Nobody beats Stanley Kaufman, though, who in his review of "Thieves Like Us" described Shelley Duvall as a "buck-toothed beanpole", at least implying (my memory is sketchy here -- he might have just come right out and said it) that she was therefore unworthy of Keith Carradine's affections in that film. Meanwhile, of course, the picture of Kaufman on the back of the collection of reviews where I read that made it appear that women were probably beating Kaufman off with a stick.
Anyway, this sort of thing is highly off-putting, and I hope you take some heat for it, if only because it will mean you scored a hit.
Posted by: bill | October 29, 2007 at 04:03 PM
Perhaps by referencing CONTEMPT, Mr. Levi is implying that the producer...er, producers (there are 16 on this film!) demanded (à la Joseph E. Levine) that Lumet include nude scenes of Tomei.
Regardless, thank god for film critics -- without them we'd never know that a 42 (!!) year-old woman could look good naked.
Posted by: Filmbrain | October 29, 2007 at 04:08 PM
"Rather sarcastically" Bill? No, the reference was wholly sarcastic, and more than a bit puerile—there was probably a better way of making my point.
Satisfactorily describing the erotic (and its efffect) in films is an, um, sticky matter, admitedly—it's easy to wander into the realm of TMI, which nobody wants. And it's even easier to come off like a dribbling adolescent—so easy you think it might also be easy to avoid...
Posted by: Glenn Kenny | October 29, 2007 at 05:15 PM
Yeah, it was wholly sarcastic, but I like to throw around the word "rather" when I'm trying to sound serious.
To be honest, the drooling over Tomei, childish and ridiculous as it is, isn't really what bothers me the most, largely because I'm hardly above that sort of thing myself, and even though I don't write about movies for public consumption, I have to admit that if I did I might let that sort of thing slip from time to time. Then again, I like to think I would be more clever about it, or self-deprecating at the same time.
(Not only that, but it occurs to me that, what with Natalie Portman recently expressing regret for her nude scene in "Hotel Chevalier" and Tomei's own previous long resistance to doing such scenes, these sorts of comments probably really skeev out the actresses in question. I mean, does Edelstein think that Tomei would read his comment that she would look right at home in soft-core porn and think, "Oh, he's so sweet!" Why would he write something like that, read it over, and say "Yes. That is how I would like to come across to my readers"?)
No, I'm actually more bothered by the apparent need of these critics to point out that Phillip Seymour Hoffman doesn't look like Brad Pitt, by which I mean he probably looks like they do. I see these sorts of comments in criticism a lot, and they're cheap shots, and they make me not want to read very much criticism. They give the whole form a bad name, at least to people inclined to read enough criticism to come across them.
Glenn, I'm sure what you say regarding writing about sex in films is correct, but how can you fail to avoid this kind of shit (either the Tomei or the Hoffman comments)?
Posted by: bill | October 29, 2007 at 05:38 PM
I agree with Bill that the real bag o' nasty is doughy critics dismissing Hoffman as unworthy of sexing onscreen. But the fact is, people like to look at pretty people naked, and if they are so gratuitously, well, there is a sliding scale as to how "gratuitous" a pleasing eyeful can be. (Which is why the duplicitous word "tasteful" is always thrown around in interviews -- I mean, talk about a sliding scale.)
The fact is, directors aren't speaking for the Doughies in creating these scenes -- the less-than cut and vasc actors are stand-ins for themselves. But the women are ALWAYS fantasy figures, so Tomei better damn straight have a body made for soft-core and a head made for winning unwarranted Oscars. Critics are no different from anyone in the industry in pointing out that an actress over the age of 35 has not devolved into a shrunken hag; they always do, unless the female nudity is, uh, challenging, in which case it's "brave." Also, repellent. See any review of "About Schmidt," which spawned far more truly disgusting comments about Kathy Bates in the hot tub than the unlikely pairing in "Devil."
And, y'know, it's easy to be funny about such things. We've all done it. So much of the dreamstate of cinema is about its beauty; when that is provoked, we're meant to sit up a little straighter.
Full disclosure, so to speak: This is from a 42-year-old woman who's bangin'. Suck it, Tomei!
Posted by: demimonde | October 29, 2007 at 06:33 PM
I know of some sites where the men are as sculpturally hard as Hoffman is soft. Maybe we could communally forward the sites to them.
Daily.
For a year.
Posted by: Bemo | October 29, 2007 at 06:54 PM
Accusing the critics - who are suggesting the doughy Hoffman is unfit for the movie - of being doughy is akin to suggesting they are unfit to criticize. hypocrisy lol
Posted by: Steve | October 29, 2007 at 09:52 PM
David Denby's review of "The Breakup" lead with a cringe-inducing paean to Jennifer Aniston's naked butt, which made me think two things: Is this what film criticism in the New Yorker has come to? And has this guy never heard of body doubles?
Posted by: Mizoguchi | October 30, 2007 at 10:03 AM
This just shows that critics are just as conditioned as anyone to expect impossible standards of universal beauty on-screen. Though, as a member of the doughy-American community, all I can say to Hoffman is "represent, brother!"
I'm reminded of a long-running debate with a friend of mine over whether Barbara Hershey was, yes, "ugly." I was willing to admit that, in his eyes (definitely not mine), she might be less ultra-attractive than some other ultra-beautiful Hollywood actresses and had perhaps had some unfortunate plastic surgery or something or her lips (they plumped mysteriously around the time of the "The Last Temptation of Christ"), but that she was, in fact, still beautiful by almost any sane standard. His only response: "I just think she's ugly."
The flip side of this was that he thought that almost every woman he knew personally and liked was on the attractive side.
Posted by: Bob | October 30, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Anyone who thinks Barbara Hershey is ugly is a stupid, stupid person.
But that reminds me of the time I was listening to a radio show around the time "Titanic" came out on video, and one of the hosts was talking about watching it with his son, and laughing about Kate Winslet's nude scene, because they thought she was fat.
Posted by: bill | October 30, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Re: the photos
No way! Is Stormy Daniels directing now? Good for her! (She's 28!)
Posted by: Mike | October 30, 2007 at 01:24 PM
Barbara Hershey got with Naveen Andrews for years. She must have something.
Posted by: demimonde | October 30, 2007 at 03:24 PM
Good post. Reviewer reaction to that sex scene indeed is interesting. I wonder, though, how many doughy, plain-looking male reviewers fell in love with the movie during that first scene. It's not often they get to see someone who looks like they do having sex on screen with someone who looks like Marisa Tomei.
And I wonder how much of their snickering, immature reaction is a subconscious way of dealing with the discomfort they feel at finding the scene so exhilarating.
Posted by: Higgy Hackford | November 14, 2007 at 09:57 PM