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November 24, 2007

Comments

Marshall

Saying you could have done without Barry Corbin's scene is like saying you could have done without Quint's speech about the Indianapolis in JAWS.

Ray

Very nice analysis and appreciation! I completely agree that the Chigurh character has a supernatural quality--he kept reminding me of those baleful Satan figures in Flannery O'Connor stories like "A Good Man is Hard to Find." Call him death--or the embodiment of evil--or, to scrap the theological language, "what's comin'."

It's hard not to compare the Bell character with Margie from "Fargo." The differences are what matter though: as you say, GK, the tone here is elegaic. Bell has been saying all along that "these days" are different and worse than the old days, but it's significant that Ellis tells him that gruesome tale about the man murdered on his front porch, and then says that it happened in 1909. So there are no good old days, and all a Bell character can do is try to endure and, if he's lucky, retire. And maybe find some epiphany in his dreams.

"Fargo" ends--or nearly ends--with Margie's saying to the murderer, "and look--it's a beautiful day." The ending to this new film complicates and deepens that other ending beautifully. Wow--what a spectacularly moving monologue it is!

And then there's the topic of Tommy Lee Jones--first "In the Valley of Elah" and now this one, two brilliant, unforgettable performances in a row. Some critics are saying he's just recycling his characters--but that "character" is put to such good use by the Coens that I'll be happy to see him keep doing it for as long as he wants.

Craig

Thanks for posting on this subject, Glenn, which I recently wrote about (with less certainty than you) on my blog.

I think the problem with the Chigurh character, which results in the confusion in the motel scene that you described, is that the Coens want to have it both ways. On one hand, he's a supernatural ghost along the lines of Leonard Smalls in Raising Arizona (I know, Leonard got blown up in the end, but nevertheless); on the other hand, he's fallible too. (Missing his shot at the pigeon on the bridge; getting shot by Moss in the street and later tending to his wound; getting hit by the driver near the end.) I don't care one way or another if Chigurh is in that motel right before Bell enters or if he's a figment of Bell's imagination, but I wish the movie were more clear on this point.

Chris Goldstein

Nice piece of writing, Glenn. I happen to like my movies cut with a dose of narrative incoherence, of which I think there's a little in NCFOM. Makes it feel like a fever dream. I don't go to the movies looking to "get" anything. I don't "get" most of what goes on in my daily life, nor do I expect to. Inscrutability is the spice of life. People who go to the movies expecting to "get" anything perplex me. Isn't the movie enough? Why do you have to go home with a souvenir, too?

NCFOM reminded me of Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia. Especially the scenes with Stephen Root. I love nameless, faceless quasi-criminal corporate syndicates.

don lewis

Nicely done, GK....got me rethinking all over again. I really need to see this film again...and maybe again after that. The reflection of Bell in the blown out keyhole really set me off thinking about the ways in which scenes are repeated between the 3 main characters in the film. The scene where Chigurh is in Moss's trailer drinking milk and staring at his reflection on the TV is repeated by Bell later. The shirt Chigurh buys at the end is reminiscent of Moss buying the jacket on the way to Mexico. There's other "mirroring" going on as well.

I guess I'm saying...I don't know why these things repeat, but there's gotta be a reason, right? RIGHT?!

And, Chris...good call on Alfredo Garcia. Michael Sragow at the Baltimore Sun did a nice (albeit short to the point of pointlessness) piece drawing parallels between "No Country," Norman Mailer and Peckinpah. I actually sensed alot of "The Getaway" in "No Country" as well.

http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/cl-et-peckinpah23nov23,0,2430583.story

I'm just happy such a great movie is out there in the world and making people talk about film again. Plus, I'm nutty about "No Country," Friend-O's

bill

I had originally thought (foolishly, it now appears) that Chigurh had escaped through the air vent. After talking to my wife about it, it seems he wouldn't fit (though he would have fit through the other vent in the film, which is what lead me to that conclusion).

Something that struck me about the scene in question is how the door just stops, as if it gets stuck, against the wall after Bell kicks it open. It doesn't rebound off the wall. I'm almost certainly focusing on something meaningless here, but it looked very odd to me at the time, and now I wonder, if I saw the movie again, if I would notice a) that the shadows in that corner of the room would conceal Chigurh, and b) if there would be room for him to hide behind the door.

I don't know. I just don't know.

friendo

fascinating thoughts on this page - i have a question to add to the mix. does anyone else think it is significant that when chigurh leaves carla jean's house at the end of the film he has left his weapon behind? or did my eyes confuse me?

Joel

I agree with Don about all of the "mirroring." While watching the film, I also wondered, before learning that Jones' character is named "Ed Tom," why everyone kept referring to him as "Anton." Could the similarity of the two names be a coincidence? The reason that I can't see Chigurth as a supernatural figure is because of his final scenes, when he essentially takes on the role that Moss has played, turning from hunter to hunted, cracked and limping through the streets while "the Mexicans" are probably not too far behind him, looking for their money. Overall, I thought that the first three-quarters of the film was terrific, if a bit generic for a Coen brothers movie. This last fifteen minutes turned it into something radically different--a great look at spiritual exhaustion in the face of death. Why the objections?

Stephen Whitty

Fine stuff, Glenn.

When I saw this back in Toronto I thought a. "Well, this ending sure doesn't give me any closure" followed quickly by b. "And that's the point." I think it's the Coens' best since "Fargo" by far.

And another great performance by Jones, too. At first, it seems that Chigurh is just the bug (chigger?) that gets under his skin. But by the end, he's realized that the title is indeed correct -- this is a land he no longer understands or can operate in --and you read every bit of that in his face.

A great film and, with "The Assasination of..." and "There Will Be Blood," one of the year's great Western revivals.

Oh, and on a personal note, btw, liked the beard. Very "In the Name of the Rose."

Mark

Agreed Glenn, great piece of writing. I think it's important that we differentiate the concept of what Chigurh represents metaphorically - he's not a "ghost" in any sense physically, but for me, without question, he is Death. One thing that's absolutely critical is his conversations - specifically with the gas station owner, Woody Harrelson, and finally Carla Jean. This last confrontation is the most critical, as Carla Jean's statement "You don't have to do this" and her refusal to call the coin toss are clearly representative of how Death comes to us - it is uncompromising, usually unbiased and is often decided by pure chance. Death's "damaging" when hit by the car is also clearly meant to parallel the scene with Jones' return to the hotel - he's one person that death didn't claim - but it will.

Easily the best film of the year so far, and the ending is perfect.

However, one thing needs to be agreed upon. I mean no personal offense to anyone who's used it in this thread - but the word "elegiac" has to be retired from the lexicon, like a football player's jersey. It's done, played out and WAY too often used as a crutch. It's over.

bill

What about "laconic"?

Glenn Kenny

Hey, wait a minute. I said "elegiac." Back in May, at Cannes. It came easier, surrounded by all the non-English speakers. But really. Nothing wrong with that word. Unless you're trying to apply it to "Enchanted" or something. "Laconic" is fine, too, provided, as with all other words, it's used appropriately. If you think you're overdoing it, go for "terse." Anyway, we're off topic here.

Gareth

sorry to be difficult, but i'm still wondering if - as i recall, though i could be wrong - chigurh leaves his weapon behind when he exits carla jean's house. if someone can confirm this for me (i'm in ireland where the film hasn't been released yet so i can't see it again to check myself) i'd be grateful - i think it has huge significance for interpreting the film. thanks.

bill

I can't say with absolute certainty, but I definitely do not remember him holding his weapon when he checks his boots.

Glenn Kenny

There's a shot of him leaving the house and checking his boots (for blood). He hasn't got a weapon visibly on him, no. But here's the weird part: during the whole confrontation with Carla Jean, you never see a weapon, period. He doesn't brandish one. There's no gas tank. Nothing. His checking his boots as he leaves indicates that he has, indeed, shot her. But the weapon is never seen.

don lewis

Mark-
Chigurh as plain ole "Death" doesn't fly for me. Death doesn't "have" to be a murderer you know. Sometimes people just die without the aid of cattle thingy. There's got to be more than that easy of an answer. Or, maybe not.

The lack of a weapon-specifically the cattle thing-during the Carla Jean scene is pretty significant I think. Man, I'm actually going to have to pay to see this thing again, aren't I? Film Threat only gets shitty homemade DVD's from studios....hardly ever anything good.

And...
If we're cattle thingying "elegiac" can I throw "due diligence" on the pyre? I freeking hate that term.


Joe

I will see the movie again soon, but after thinking about it for a few days, I think Anton's character symbolizes death (He really doesn't exist as a human)and The coin toss illustrates the percarious nature of existence. If the Anton character is veiwed through this prism, then many things in the movie fall into place and take on an entirely different appearance. Carla Jeans refusal to call the coin toss could mean that she has decided to take her own life, in essence refusing to let her own death be random chance. The death of Woody Harrelson's character could have possibly been at the hands of Lewelyn Moss. And why did Lewelyn Moss really return to to the desert massacre scene? Was it to save the man or make sure he was dead?

If Anton indeed isn't real and just symbolizes death, then every murder he committed in the movie can be reevaluated with different and interesting insights into the movies meaning.

Sean

Joel, McCarthy is definitely doing something with names in the book -- Anton vs. Ed Tom and the trio of other male leads, Moss, Bell and Wells, all one-syllable, double-letter names, again contrasted against the unpronounceable Chigurh.

bill

Couldn't the fact that you don't see Chigurh carrying a weapon at any point during that scene just be a mistake? I'm a huge fan of the Coens, and I know there is much that is intentionally mysterious about "No Country for Old Men", but I've caught pretty glaring continuity errors in their films before.

Glenn Kenny

I dunno, Bill. A continuity error—maybe—would be showing a gun in the confrontation scene and him leaving without it. For it not to be shown at all is something wholly other.

bill

I suppose. But if you're right, what are they getting at, for God's sake!?

Also, it's been a couple of years since I read the book. Does anybody remember if McCarthy makes any special mention of a weapon in that scene? Carla Jean's death happens "off-stage" in the book as well, but apart from that I can't remember how the scene specifically plays out.

Glenn Kenny

Bill, I happen to have the book right in front of me (I'm rehearsing for a TV pilot entitled "Breakfast With Cormac McCarthy"), and it's pretty specific on the point. Here's the whole paragraph, sans-quotation-marks dialogue and all:

"Good, he said. That's good. Then he shot her."

Curioser and curiouser...

bill

What the!? I thought her death was referred to after the fact. Boy, my memory is lousy.

Anyway, yeah...strange. Good luck with the pilot, by the way. I'm assuming it will be remeniscent of Rupert Pupkin's talk show, with a life-sized cardboard cut-out of McCarthy occupying the guest chair. Hell, I'd watch it.

Claire K.

Well, of course, Chigurh doesn't always kill with the cattle thing--he garrotes the deputy in the beginning; on the other hand, that was by necessity & he's clearly coming to Carla Jean's with a purpose. Maybe he killed her through some other means equally likely to leave a mess on his shoes?

bill

That's the thing - if it was a mistake (and I guess it probably wasn't), it can be easily made logical with Claire's (Mrs. Kenny's?) explanation. If it was on purpose, then there's something else going on -- because why not at least indicate the different weapon if that's all they had in mind? -- and I can't for the life of me guess what it is.

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