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January 06, 2008

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Sam Adams

In Plainview's climactic rant, he evokes the figure of the barely seen Paul Sunday, using his purported success as a tool to further Eli's humiliation. But a close listen seems to reveal that Plainview is fabricating as he goes, grafting traits from both HW and himself (and maybe even his faux brother, Henry) onto Paul. (Plainview says Paul's wells are producing at "five thousand dollars a week," exactly the same figure Plainview claims for his own wells in his first monologue.) Having proven unable to connect on any lasting basis with his surrogate sons and brothers -- and, of course, lacking even the hint of any sexual or romantic connections -- he finally invents his own heir as he invented himself.

Glenn Kenny

Indeed, Sam. Your idea of Plainview FABRICATING a "good son" in the person of Paul (who's not quite a prodigal, in that he never returns) is right on.

don lewis

Good post, GK...and good thoughts, Sam. But I thought the film had some serious kabbalist influences in the fil....oh,wait. My bad.

Seriously though....great stuff, but this is only a start, right? I mean...was there "really" a Paul or was it Eli pretending to be someone else? Or better....Eli as his messianic self couldn't possibly encourage Daniel to come pillage his town so he took on the personae of Paul in order to sell out with a clear conscience.

I also loved how simple the whole storyline is. In Daniels mind and in our minds looking through him, he's absolutely right in every decision and move he makes throughout. It may not be morally correct, but it's right to him. I just hope people don't try to boil this down as a heaby handed commentary on oil and big business....or kabbalists.

khurram merza

good review glenn kenny...

is this movie an accurate accounting of father/son relationship..vis a vis w/ur father or son (if thats not taboo). at least thats what it made me think of; regarding my father.....

and how does it compare w/the father/son aspect of ed tom and lewellen in NCFOM....

and thus r these 2 movies comparable?

doesnt daniel day lewis overwhelm the movie w/his acting..similar to the scorsese film about 1800s gangs of NY? or my left foot?

don lewis..
ask madonna or mleafer...kabbalah is everywhere. HA!

khurram merza

gk.. saturn devouring one of his sons..very apt, startling!

George Wishart

Paul and Eli Sunday are two separate people. That is a fact, Don. PTA has said that numerous times.

Mike De Luca

Without the rigidity of the business model that he has substituted for the framework of a normal life, his connection to H.W. simply can no longer function. Saw the film for the first time last night. "Barry Lyndon" sprawl with darkly comic punchline, sucked my brains out. Now I know your feelings on the Oscars, Glenn, but it would be rather cruel for Jonny Greenwood to be denied a nomination for his unnerving Ligeti-like strains based on his appropriation of previously-composed material from his "Popcorn Superhet Receiver", etc. And Dano...who knew he could be so oily? "You stupid old man!" And the bowling alley scene definitely furthers Kubrick comparisons, as it evokes the Peter Sellers-James Mason ping-pong confrontation from "Lolita". And the last scene between Plainview and Henry reminds me of something out of a Grimm fairy tale, I'm not sure why. But because of Anderson and Lewis, Daniel Plainview, the monster, will endure.

jlichman

just write your book now. and fill it with LOL-There Will Be Blood photos.

Joel

Although I totally got your back on the NCFOM ending, I'm definitely not buying Anderson's big finish. This is still a brilliant film, but set-up for his confrontation with Eli was half-baked, and the only sense that time has really passed was in Day-Lewis's performance. Dano made little or no changes to his character. And there was no provocation on his character's part, not even a little one that would have earned such a deliriously asymmetrical response from Plainview. The dialogue in that seen seemed like a first draft. I was actually embarrassed by the lines that Plainview had Eli recite. Did they have to be so on-the-nose? ("God is a superstition"?) In all, I would have liked another 15-20 minutes in the 1927 section, some scenes with Eli alone, showing us how he squandered his church with speculation. The connection between the two men would have been made with more clarity. Still a great film. But not an ending worth defending. Also, I think that Paul has a more prominent role in the novel, but I only flipped through it in the store instead of actually reading it.

Hotspur

In the cheap laughs department, and since we're discussing the miraculously conceived progeny of Daniel Plainview, how about this?

http://windinthetrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/movie-poster-of-the-year

Alison

I really liked this analysis of the ending, Glenn. I also felt that in his act of severing his relationship with H.W., Daniel lets him off the hook. With all the emphasis made on blood relations, the information that H.W. isn't actually related to Daniel might be seen as something of a relief to the character (in part, causing the line "I'm glad that I have none of you in me" to be spoken by H.W.). Obviously, the scene is more complicated than that, but I do think that's part of it (Daniel is also severing his own connection to what used to be "good" about him).

I also think the ending warrants an examination in relation to its setting - the film, in the 1927 section, has shifted to the leisure sphere, whereas every other section is almost entirely in the work sphere. Daniel can't handle life in the leisure sphere, and I think the film also works as an examination of what happens when the expectations of work in the relation to his life shift.

Filmbrain

Very nice piece, Glenn. I've thought quite a bit about the relationship between fathers and sons in the film, yet I'd not come up with anything concrete. This is certainly food for thought.

I see the final scene as an interesting parallel to the scene where Eli attacks his father -- both are classic bits of Freudian transference.

I wonder how much time is meant to have elapsed between H.W.'s exit and the bowling alley sequence. Is it the same day? Later that day? Weeks later?

Thanks for the shout-out as well.

Tim

I've seen the film twice now and neither time included the sequence with HW cutting Daniel's hair, mentioned in the above post. The only reason I'm familiar with it at all is because of the advertisement for the advanced screenings right before New Year's, where the scene seemed to be played in full. Is my theatre cutting it off the end of the reel, or is it just not in the final cut?

Steve

I didn't see it either, Tim.

Anyone else reading this stuff avidly, but feeling paralyzed at the mouth (or fingers) without a second viewing?

Glenn Kenny

I've seen the film twice as well, and I seem to recall the haircut shot as a dialogue-free one in the midst of the quail-hunting interlude...but admit that my memory could be playing tricks on me and I was attracted by the stil and the affinities it offered to the "Diving Bell" sequence. That said, even if the haircutting hot is not in the film, I still hold to my reading of the Plainview/H.W. relationship up until the point H.W. is stricken deaf.

Craig P

This was great to read, Glenn, after I finally saw the film last night - and already decided I need to see it again (though I'm not sure I'm quite ready to go through the ringer again so soon). Still trying to formulate my own opinions, and tried to make a start at that on my own blog, but I have what may be a stupid question...

Is everyone positive that Paul even exists? For a time I was actually feeling like he/Eli Sunday were twins in personality but one in physicality - some sort of multi-personality thing, especially in the oddball jealous way Eli behaved when Paul was brought up, and his battles with his own emotional demons. This could be a completely incorrect reading of it (and logistically there may be no way) but this was a sense I had, anyway. Any thoughts?

Great read here, thanks.

Craig P

I don't recall the haircutting scene at all, and just saw it last night, but do think Glenn's point still holds...

sam

Thanks for the great discussion, as always!

As far as the flashbacks with HW and Daniel at the end, I saw something else besides good ol' rough-housing. I saw a glint of disdain in Daniel's eyes when HW wanted to play, and when he shoved HW's head it carried a little more umph! Anybody else get that? Maybe since his cruelty towards his son was so fresh in my mind...

Craig P

Ah, never mind, didn't see George's post above. Well, I like my imagined interpretation, anyway. ;-)

Peter Debruge

I'm joining the TWBB conversation on this blog rather late, and given all the brains in the room, I'm sure someone's already raised the point of the title, but as I read it, "Blood" refers not to the act of violence in the final scene, but "family" or "kin." That's certainly reflected in the way he opens up to the false brother, the only person he believes to be genuine "blood" -- and the extreme way he deals with that deception later on.

Just as important as H.W. and Eli as non-biological sons is the discussion of fathers (I don't buy the idea that Eli becomes a second son, btw, for reasons I'll get into below). We never seen Daniel Plainview's father, but it seems quite evident to me that his relationship to his own father seems largely responsible for the way he deals with others (although I don't think the movie stoops to pop philosophy in explaining the reasons for Plainview's antisocial temperament).

Consider the way he intervenes when he learns the elder Sunday is beating his daughter. The lesson there: Plainview believes physical abuse is NOT an appropriate way to deal with children (a clue to the issues he has with his own father perhaps?). That complicates your thesis about Eli becoming a second son, since Daniel lashes out against Eli in two extreme fits of violence (of course, there's miles of road between an ideal notion of parenting and actual practice, but Plainview seems to follow a rigorous moral code). And if my memory of the film serves, while Daniel tolerates his son's slaps when they are reunited, he never once raises a hand against H.W.

But I appreciate this essay since it attempts to offer a unifying explanation for a film that, for all its awesome power and psychological intensity, never seems entirely decided as to what it is ABOUT. What is Daniel raging AGAINST exactly: Religion? Hypocrisy, as embodied by Eli? The Man, as embodied by the tycoons who offend him so? His unseen parents? (I'm fine with the enigma being unanswered, by the way. The mystery of what unravels Daniel Plainview fascinates me more than the explanation.)

Knowing what we do after our first viewing, there's one shot that threw me the second time around: When Daniel is courting the townspeople about taking control of their oil claim, the camera drifts over his right shoulder and focuses on H.W. standing there listening (the audio may even drop out to accentuate the move, I can't quite recall). At any rate, the shot implies that we're experiencing the scene from H.W.'s perspective (although obviously not his point of view). Why is that?

craig keller.

I saw the film tonight. This is all interesting and astute, but essentially these same reflections, ruminations, could have been induced in a careful reader (watcher) from a read of a paper screenplay. That's my biggest problem with the film at this point -- there's no cinema. For me, it's a step backward from 'Punch-Drunk Love' and even 'Magnolia.' I still like PTA a -lot-, but here was 'The Petrified Forest.'

Also, I have a hard time understanding what the point is in "reconstructing milieux" -- i.e., making oil derricks that look real and really work, spending millions doing so, etc. -- when the milieux serve no aesthetic purpose other than drawing a mass-audience "into the diegesis [story-world]." Maybe it's just a difference in sensibility -- I don't see aesthetic as a container for "story-content" in and of itself. When the derrick explodes c. 1911, then crumbles in a "canny" (<-film-crit cliché) foreshadowing of 9/11 and the fall of the towers in the arch-capitalistic era, the same effect or idea could be gotten across with a Sharpie drawing an oil-derrick on a piece of construction paper. Maybe the pleasure of Hollywood-diegeses is just dead for me now, and that's why I'd rather Moullet and Monteiro and Welles's 'Macbeth' at this point.

Hélas pour moi!

craig.

craig keller.

As a P.S., as I've mentioned to some friends tonight already, David Denby should basically be fired for a comparison of the artistry of 'TWBB' to that of Griffith and Ford. He clearly has no handle on what MAKES GRIFFITH GRIFFTH and what MAKES FORD FORD. It's not fucking "stories well-told that just had a camera 'aimed' at them and set in a 'western'ish' milieu," "shown from optimally expositional [or is that expositionally optimal?] angles."

It's like these idiots comparing Raymond Bernard to Jean Renoir.

craig.

Glenn Kenny

Craig, I found the "reconstructing melieux" to be essential to what is cinematic about it—but then again, I percieved it more in terms of misdirection than allegory (e.g., I'm not one of the "foreshadowing of 9/11" crowd—ugh). And while I'm not one to call for anyone to be out of a job, I found Denby's comparison to Ford and Griffith to be kind of dubious myself. Not that I don't think "TWBB" is pretty great; I just think it has about as much to do with Ford and Griffith as, say, Wallace Stevens has to do with Wordsworth. (That's part of what I mean about midirection, though...)

Dan Yeager

I'm not quite sure what Craig is saying here - or trying to say.
"there's no cinema"?
I just got back a little while ago from seeing the movie - and I don't recall the "haircut" scene - but that's beside the point.
Naturally, I'm still digesting it all; it's quite a feast. I'd been enjoying the comments/analyses, but Craig's have brought me up short.
My brother-in-law, with whom I saw the movie, did say that he didn't think it measured up to "Magnolia". (Neither of us has seen PDL.)
With that as a starting point, Craig, do you care to respond?

don lewis

I'm sure many of you have seen this....but it's pretty much the best site I've seen in a while...just for the sound clip alone:
http://idrinkyourmilkshake.com/

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