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March 12, 2008

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don lewis

Nice writeup, Aaron...and even nicer work getting QUIET CITY out into the world!

I'm still here at SXSW...supposedly until Sunday but I may bail early. The sheer number of hipster douchebags in this town starting today has my last nerve fried.

I also wanted to pimp an article I wrote for FILM THREAT touching on the mumblecore fraternity that has sprung up here over the years. You kinda touched on it and I actually asked fest programmer Matt Dentler and Joe Swanberg about the confluence of m-core filmmakers and if there's any conflicts of interest. I thought they answered the questions well...
http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=features&Id=2147

Maybe I'll see you around town....I'll be at Hooters in a few hours....

Peter Debruge

If you ask me, the filmmakers aren't the ones who get to decide whether they represent a movement, aesthetic or identity. Maybe "mumblecore" isn't the best label for 'em, but the fact that you have a simultaneous outpouring of semi-autobiographical work from a group of similarly inclined filmmakers who, by virtue of the availability of equipment and new means of distribution, are suddenly able to share their personal responses to/reactions against the type of films they grew up watching, I think it's fair for those of us on the outside to call it a movement.

Pretty soon, it all reduces to semantics, but the label benefits those it describes in that it connects films that, on an individual basis, would be too small to register on most people's radar. Would Hannah Takes the Stairs or Quiet City or Mutual Appreciation have warranted a NY Times piece on their own? (Then again, is the NYT even the right forum to discuss such films, which seem to do just fine with the more selective audience of the blogosphere?)

I think it's a mistake to get sidelined in discussions about what is or isn't "mumblecore" or whether the label even applies. I entertained those questions when reporting a story for Variety last week (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981680) about the fact that SXSW, which was the festival that introduced Andrew Bujalski, Joe Swanberg, the Duplass brothers and -- in subsequent years -- additional filmmakers, serves as reunion territory for these guys, but the important thing is that digital cameras, home editing software and the internet have enabled a new wave of filmmakers, many of whom have become very close friends, sharing equipment, ideas, cast and crew.

If that's not a movement, I don't know what is. (After all, it's not like Godard, Truffaut, Chabrol and Rivette were making identical movies, but they were all liberated by a common spirit, and their creativity catalyzed at a specific moment in time.) As Mark Duplass told me, "For us, little movies have a tough time in the world, and any time someone wants to take the time to write about our little movies, I’m totally happy to have our movies being talked about." By extension, if the M-word (as Aaron calls it) allows me to cover a handful of filmmakers I might otherwise never get to discuss in the pages of Variety, I'll take it.

Bordeaux

Wow, back in 1999-2001 Roger Avary had a blog on his website. It was a wonderful blog and had a great group of commenters. The discussions were always impassioned and enlightening w/ Roger frequently throwing in his 4 cents. One of the regular commenters there was a young filmmaker from Chicago named Joe Swanberg. At that time he was working on a film called "Kissing on the Mouth" and wanted everyone's opinion on the trailer and some scenes. He was trying to get it into festivals. He and Roger would often have arguments on the relative merits of film vs. digital, Joe obviously being a big proponent of the latter.
Anywho, one day Roger just shut the blog down, maybe in 2002 or 2003? because he thought it had played its course, and by then blogs were becoming quite ubiquitous and I guess it was no longer fun for him.
That was a long way of saying that I had forgotten all about Joe Swanberg and somehow the whole mumblecore movement had escaped my notice until reading this, but it's great to see that Joe pulled it off and got his movies out there.

Bleeb

I remember Joe quite well from that board and must admit his subsequent success impressed me, because most of the people there were not very supportive of him and Roger never missed an opportunity to tell him he was talking sideways out his rearend. My only interaction with him was recommending he shorten a paraphraph in a press release down to three words, which I think he actually did, so I figured he was more honest in his solicitation of criticism and advice than most gave him credit for. Anyway, viva Swanberg!

don lewis

Not to double whore my work BUT...

I was on the Avary board back then too (it's back up by the way) and mentioned what you guys were talking about in an interview Joe and I did a few years back:
http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=interviews&Id=1105

Wait till you see NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS...it's really something.

Anonymous

Has Peter Debruge forgotten that the NYTimes already wrote a feature about Andrew Bujalski over a year before anyone in the mainstream media was buzzing about any of this "mumblecore" business?

All this talk of a "movement" has really diluted discussion about the substantial talents some of these filmmakers possess; talents that many others lumped alongside them simply do not have, or in the very least, have yet to display. The filmmakers who have capitalized most off the notion of "mumblecore" are, to my mind, also the least deserving of the additional media coverage. It's unfair that the backlash against some lame films from summer '07 has dragged the names of some good films from summer '06 into this mess.

oakling

I want a purse full of stolen grapes and kittens....

don lewis

Can you be more vague, anonymous?

I also do agree the m-core term is silly, but in the interest of journalistic brevity it sure comes in handy.

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