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April 02, 2008

Comments

Christian Toto

Conservative film reviewers (talk about a tiny subset!) come by their cynicism about these projects the hard way ... they watch one after another which paint the troops in an unflattering light while Hollywood ignores an enemy that makes Hitler's goons look like school children. And these films are often prefaced with comments from those involved saying, "we didn't come into this with an ideology," or "this film doesn't take sides" - only to find that these films do, indeed, take sides.

While some righty film types do jump on these issues with too little finesse, others do so with intelligence and wit. Please don't lump them all together into one mangy group.

Mike De Luca

Christian, it seems to me, the films you say "paint the troops in an unflattering light" only do so in attempt to suggest war puts some men(and women) in uniform under such stress that real life rapes("Redacted") and real life murders("In the Valley of Elah") may result. If the filmmakers wanted to demonize the troops, they would not communicate any sort of empathy with their plight. Also, "Hitler's goons look like school children"? Yet another tired attempt to link the areligious nature of Nazism with the conflicting fervor of religious extremism, along with the built-in moral justification that comes with the mention of WW2. That is hardly the definition of "finesse".

bill

"Christian, it seems to me, the films you say 'paint the troops in an unflattering light' only do so in attempt to suggest war puts some men(and women) in uniform under such stress that real life rapes("Redacted") and real life murders("In the Valley of Elah") may result."

Yes, but why is it that, according to these films, those are the ONLY things that may result? Why do no American films acknowledge that -- whether or not you think we should be there -- the vast majority of soldiers do very good deeds?

bgn

"Why do no American films acknowledge that -- whether or not you think we should be there -- the vast majority of soldiers do very good deeds?"

For the same reason that films about bad marriages don't acknowledge that the vast majority of marriages are good. It's generally the exceptions to the rule that make drama.

bill

You don't think depicting good deeds being done in wartime can make for good drama?

Also, are you saying that filmmakers NOT showing these good deeds for the reason you indicate is somehow a good thing? And I'm just asking here; I don't know if that's what you're saying or not.

Glenn Kenny

In something like "Elah," portraying soldiers doing good deeds would have gone completely against the specific point that Haggis was making, which is that there's something so specifically wrong with THIS war—the one in Iraq—that it's turning soldiers who were once, or could have been, good, into these monstrous beings. Hence the contrast with Tommy Lee Jones' character and the shock he registers at what he learns, and of course the awful "distress signal" final scene. I'm not pointing this out to necessarily justify it—I think the point is at the very least kind of facile—but there you have it.

As for the soldiers in "The Lucky Ones," they're seen for the most part outside of their war deployment, but each of the characters portrayed is decent and likeable—quite far from the freaked-out f--kups of "Stop Loss." So there's that.

Campaspe

Excellent and thought-provoking post, one of the first that made me actually want to see one of these Iraq movies. I've done quite a bit of mocking Libertas in my time but here is one thing they often get right: there's an awful lot of predictability in the way certain subjects are handled. Hollywood has always had a tendency to get boilerplate characters and plots and then ringing variations on them. I'm not interested in seeing Iraqis played like the Japanese in So Proudly We Hail!, which is the only thing that would please someone like Debbie Schlussel. But it does tend to dull the moviegoing experience if, the very second an American officer pops up on screen, I am just sitting there waiting for him to lie his ass off. Or, if I am watching a movie about American suburbia, and the second a character is identified as ex-military I know that's my cue to think he's crazy and/or a closet case.

Robbins may be a down-the-line liberal in real life but he has a history of picking projects with a great deal of nuance. So I hope when I see this movie, it manages to surprise me AND conservative critics.

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