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April 18, 2008

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Keith Uhlich

Well "The Cock" moved in '05 to a new 2nd Avenue location formerly occupied by "The Hole". Last I saw, it was still open for business.

Hey, wait a minute, how would I know, anyway...

:-)

Chuck

The article and the even worse responses (from the author I mean) exhibit a boneheadedness that's almost impossible to believe. It's satire right Glenn? Huh, satire? In that case I get it.

Bleeb

Can't we kill him?

Glenn Kenny

No, Bleeb, we can't. And, in any case, O'Neil's preferred term is "assassinate."

Herman Scobie

"And consider: O'Neil is an adult." You're wrong, Glenn. We find ourselves in a society in which most of those in their 20s and 30s and some even older do their best to remain adolescents. This is the same society that thinks all opinions are equal, that no one has to back up views about anything. Faced with this rampant mediocrity, I have been forced to become a bitter old fart.

bill

Herman, I agree with most of what you just said, except this:

"This is the same society that thinks all opinions are equal..."

I deal with a lot of people in the age group you're referring to (and, in fact, AM in that general age group), and the idea that a differing opinion should be met with anything other than condescension and hostility is alien to most of them. Which is not to say that I believe all opinions are created equal, but simply that I haven't encountered the kind of ecumenical worldview that you apparently have.

Sam Adams

Someone should tell homeboy that if you're going to complain about a movie being cliched, then you'd better not drag out the old "thick slick of ham" chestnut, not matter how many adjectives you dress it up with. For shame.

bill

Tom O'Neil begins one of his sentences this way:

"As a self-respecting Oscarologist..."

Is there such a thing?

Todd Holmes

As one of those who can take the blame (credit?) for inflaming some of O'Neil's Oscar-nazi-hating in the comments there, the response I found most interesting is when I suggested that a real journalist might have done his homework to understand why Sunrise is admired (e.g. not because of the melodrama). His reply: "I don't need to do research on why "Sunrise" is so highly regarded. I know that point of view and happen to disagree with it strongly." Of course my point was that it's not a point-of-view that Murnau broke new ground. It's a bit like saying "I know the point of view that 'The Jazz Singer' introduced sound films to the masses. I just happen to disagree."

But perhaps what I find most troubling is that people like O'Neil are the ones keeping their jobs during the great critic downsizing of '08. This article is certainly exhibit A for the argument that film criticism (at least at major US newspapers) is becoming an endangered species.

Glenn Kenny

Indeed, Todd, and that's also why, although I make light of them, tags like "snob," "elitist" and "hipster" rankle: gainfully employed clods like O'Niel use those terms as cudgels to discredit anyone doing more thoughtful work than they do. People sometimes ask me why I have a bug up my ass about David Kamp and Lawrence Levi's "Film Snob Handbook"; well, what you're talking about is exactly why. It's called the Law of Unintended Consequences. Thanks a pantload, guys.

Aaron Hillis

Funny, I called Tom O'Neil the other day, at it got heated. "Look, freak," I screamed at him, "Sunrise is Sunrise... WINGS IS WINGS!"

Brian

Actually, is there anything more "hipster" than saying "I know that point of view and happen to disagree with it strongly"? It seems to me the "hipster" POV is precisely this disengaged, too-cool-for-the-room, I know everything attitude, one which might actually hate SUNRISE precisely because it forces an emotional engagement and a passion they just can't comprehend.

You know, Titanic happens to have quite a bit more in common with Sunrise than a lot of people would be willing to admit.

Absolutely! And so might something like Lord of the Rings, whose journey-from-country-to-city (well, bigger populated area, anyway), narrative centered on a couple (Sam and Frodo), Expressionist imagery and fearlessly over-the-top emotions are all sheer melodrama, even if we don't want to call it that because it makes folks feel uncool and challenges their guyish geek cred.

One point of disagreement-- I'm 34, and I love Sunrise, and Wings. And as many baby boomers constantly remind us through their behavior, it's not just people in their 20s and 30s who hate to have their firmly set viewpoints challenged.

Krauthammer

I'm a relatively young cinephile (18), but Sunrise had, and still does, have immediate power to me. I remember watching Sunrise two or three years ago,when all I knew about it was that it was in this not-well-compiled list of bests that I bought for ten dollers, I had no expectations and it still struck me. Hard.

It was my introduction to classic expressionism, grand emotion and Murnau. I feel like it's one of MY movies, a movie I feel immediate emotional and personal attachment to. And after four viewings, it still makes me cry every time.

In short: Screw Tom O'Neil.

msic

You could do a lot worse on a Saturday night than hitting a little Gehr. "Side / Walk / Shuttle," baby. Thing is, Ern's so money, and he doesn't even know it.

D Cairns

I posted a comment over at that site but it hasn't appeared. Basically I was arguing that if the guy hadn't seen Sunruse until right now, no way had he seen The Last Command and Seventh Heaven, yet he was happy to declare The Jazz Singer superior to them. I went on to say that nothing in his piece convinces me that he's even watched Wings. If he has, then his inability to offer a single specific personal observation about it is pretty bad, as is his failure to notice that it, too, is a weepie.

Damien B.

I wonder if Tom O'Neil might prefer Murnau's 'City Girl' to 'Sunrise.' There the urban woman is actually the moral and upstanding character, the country folks bastions of venality. Nah, Blather Boy seems inherently incapable of appreciating Murnau. (And he must be the only person I've ever heard of who doesn't like 'Grand Illusion' -- he must really hate 'Rules of the Game' then. But he often does early Sunday mornings on MSNBC so I guess he is someone to be reckoned with.)

Campaspe

I am so glad I learned of this only through your magnificent, comprehensive take-down. If I'd read Mr. O'Neil's "critique" first thing I would still be lying on the couch in a darkened room with a cold cloth on my forehead. This is about the most righteously angry I have seen you, but the thing is, the piece is so much worse than you paint it. It isn't that I think it's impermissible for a serious film critic to hate "Sunrise." A serious critic may hate anything s/he wants, but if attacking a canonical film that critic had better be prepared with good reasons. A few stale witticisms (honeyed ham--gah!) may be sufficient to dismiss "Crash" but with "Sunrise" you'd damn well better bring more to the firing range than a pea shooter. That's really all I was saying when I got irritated by the Oscar joke at the film's expense.

Glenn Kenny

I'm not done with O'Neil yet. Those so inclined should watch for my next Monday Morning Foreign Region DVD Report...

Dan

Anybody using the word "hipsters" and "Sunrise" in the same sentence just revealed they don't know anything. I'm 26, I'm in film school (graduate level), I know "film hipsters". And I hate the f***ing lot of them precisely because it isn't associated with some intellectual movement that knowing about makes them seem all smart and s**t or made after January 1st, 1970, it doesn't exist.

Ross

Whoa, Dan, be sure to take a basic writing course before you graduate. That last sentence (well, it's not really a sentence; let's call it that last burst of words between the periods)... yikes.

Glenn Kenny

Ah, let Dan be. It's that youthful passion gettin' all up in his expository prose skills...

PM

Hm. I'm not sure precisely what Dan means to say, but it is true that even graduate students in film studies -- the most hipsterish of film hipsters, one would expect -- don't have much sympathy for Sunrise or most mainstream, silent-era films. The films aren't sufficiently knowing and dedicated to taking down, uh, capitalism or something. I think the Sunrise love comes from the old school cinephile aesthetes. If you're going to make Dave Kehr King, I reckon that'd be his realm...

michaelgsmith

If this whole Sunrise-gate controversy can hasten the release of the rumored "Murnau at Fox" box set, it will have all been worth it. (BTW, I'm 32, I love Sunrise and I like Wings pretty well.)

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